37 Comments

1. 

   Peter Warrennder

   May 17, 2015 at 8:50 pm

   Who voted for this cruel waste of space? I do not know anyone who voted Tory, nor would I want to. The sixty odd percent of the country that did not vote Tory, will not allow them to stay in power. The people will remove this heartless government anyway they can, one thing for certain is that they will not wait 5 years or waste their time with the ballot box.
2. 

   stephanie martine

   May 17, 2015 at 9:48 pm

   well of all the problems that need solving in the world, let alone right here..what a waste of time and space..regressive moves..yeah! lets be backward, why bother improving anything..lets go chase and kill foxes for fun..tally ho..this man is paid?
3. 

   tomos

   May 17, 2015 at 10:38 pm

   Really cannot understand what the fuss is about, you need to control foxes – the who ha is just because they look cuddly wuddly likkle anumals, no one cares about ugly amimals or slugs do they?
   If these ppl complaining about this mp didn’t eat farmed animals in which animals suffer then killedin their millions but were vegans I’d more readily accept their opinions but its just silliness and class war.
   ps I’m working class and I v oted for him, indeed a majority of ppl did here in Pembrokeshire
4. 

   Bob

   May 17, 2015 at 11:52 pm

   Tomos, how did you get that a majority voted for him? He had the most votes, yes, but it wasn’t a majority. Including those that did not cast a vote, over 40,000 people didn’t vote for Simon Hart. Of those that did vote, over 22,700 didn’t vote for him, so his 17,626 votes being less than those that didn’t vote for him, it’s not a majority. His true vote was just over 30% of the ward electorate, so just under 70% didn’t want him as their MP. The actual vote being 43.7% means that 56.3% don’t support him, me being one of them. I hope Peter is right and the people rise up against these self serving conservative t$*@s.
5. 

   Alison

   May 18, 2015 at 7:28 am

   ‘Based on prejudice’ he says ‘Obsession with a Class war’ he says

   Oh my! you are precious aren’t you Mr Hart ? Rubbing your hands at the chance to Rip foxes to bits while on horse back donning your uniforms symbolic, of the Class war the upper echelons imposed on the poor

   don’t flatter yourself Mr hart, For us, the banning of this archaic and barbaric act is about not wanting animals to experience unnecessary pain when there are less barbaric methods to deal with this issue

   For you and your cronies however its quite apparent that you all see the banning of this truly disgusting act has been evidence of the crumbling tyranny of the upper classes and rural elite So much did that disturb you Mr Hart, you took a huge pay drop to become an MP under the guise of someone who cared about people in Carmarthenshire.

   Yet you still voted yes for the bedroom Tax while there are only 30 unsupported one bedroom council properties. Many people in trapped in poverty here as a result of those supporting this including you Mr hart.

   oh an there was that Yes vote for fracking/coal gasification! How will it pay for the NHS Mr hart ? will that be because many lives will be cut short in the future as a result ?

   You don’t care about your people Mr hart all you care about is voting yes to wars and yes to blood sports Yes to badger culls that did not bring back one dead badger with TB

   I put it to you MR hart that you are a one policy man this is the policy to restore a sport symbolic of your hegemony. How dare you accuse the ordinary working man of starting a class war ? How dare you scream prejudice towards us when the rich and the upper echelons have built your fortunes by pressing your boot of discrimination upon the necks of generation after generation. ?

   You and your cronies were contrived by such acts to keep the best part of the working class Broken

   I put it to you that you Mr hart who took a massive pay drop to become an MP in order overturn the ban are the one obsessed with a class war. We just want opportunity to raise our children in a healthy world run my leaders with compassion and respect for the land and all living on it

   WE JUST WANT TO SEE ANIMALS AND HUMANS ALIKE TREATED WITH THE DECENCY ALL LIFE DESERVES.
   Time will hold your actions your utterances as shameful
6. 

   Paris

   May 18, 2015 at 8:35 am

   Well what a surprise……I don’t think.

   I hate the way supporters of this cruel sport imply that it is only town/city people want this ban well let me tell you it is not. I want this ban and all of my friends want this ban and we live in the country. ( Tomas I love all animals including the ugly ones, oh and I don’t eat meat). Before someone jumps on the bandwagon and mentions the rich this is not the case, you can fox hunt with out being rich.

   Simon Hart only got in because some people were too apathetic to vote and others were scared into believing the Conservative party hype about the SNP. Perhaps if they had read his voting record on They Work For You website they would have changed their minds.
   How about standing up for the poor in this county for a change.
7. 

   Delyth

   May 18, 2015 at 11:27 am

   If having you re-elected was not such a serious issue for the many in your constituency you have failed to speak for I would find your comments amusing. We are in the year 2014. Labours official opposition is no longer brimming with the working class/ ‘class war’ types you talk of, nor was it when the Hunting Act came into effect so this stance you are taking in this article makes your accusation appear as hideous as you look when you gentrify yourself by dressing up in your scarlet uniform and cravat to go out with a pack of hounds to kill foxes in such a cruel way, a tradition in your circles which has been historically practised in order for gentrify ones identity

   I am glad someone raised that this is not a class issue because its really not. what makes it a class issue is this sport would have been banned years ago if it was not for the hunt being such a domineering group in society fighting for what sets them apart from the rest.

   Talking of prejudice as well as having obvious prejudices towards those who are anti hunt, you also have prejudices against the foxes you kill.

   A while back research was conducted on farmer’s opinions towards foxes in Wiltshire. Rabbits and badgers were seen as more of a threat to farms than foxes. Two thirds of farmers did not see foxes as pests and actually argued that foxes can be seen as ‘beneficial by consuming rabbits and other pests of agricultural crops. ’
8. 

   Paris

   May 18, 2015 at 11:30 am

   What are you going to do about people have to use food banks in this county, surely this should be more of a priority looking out for their welfare?
9. 

   Paris

   May 18, 2015 at 11:37 am

   “The election result has shown once and for all that Labour’s obsession with fighting a class war has rendered it unelectable, so it is only right that we remove laws based on this prejudice from the statute book.”

   I think you have a cheek saying this Mr Hart, as far as I am concerned it not not a class issue although the Conservative Party like to imply it is.

   I do not believe in animal cruelty in any form, I am just as concerned about the hounds and the horses welfare as I am the foxes.
   Saying it is a class issue is making you sound quite snobbish which is not a nice trait. As far as I am concerned we are all equal but someone us like tearing foxes to pieces some of us don’t.
10. 

    Paul King

    May 18, 2015 at 4:17 pm

    This can only really be described as a complete testicle festival on behalf of the tory elite
11. 

    Flashbang

    May 19, 2015 at 3:41 am

    Bob, “His true vote was just over 30% of the ward electorate, so just under 70% didn’t want him as their MP. The actual vote being 43.7% means that 56.3% don’t support him, me being one of them”
    Your logic escapes me, if 56.3% didn’t vote that means they didn’t support anyone else either. If they can’t be bothered to turn up then it doesn’t matter to them who wins.
12. 

    Delyth

    May 19, 2015 at 4:43 am

    Baring in mind Bob was responding to Tomos who said “Most people in Pembrokeshire voted for him” The logic in his response is very easy to grasp Flashbang.

    Sorry to read about your struggle with syllogism
13. 

    Delyth

    May 19, 2015 at 6:17 am

    Most people who disagree with this disgusting sport know there is nothing ‘Classy’ about it Mr Hart. All that is demonstrated from those advocating and taking part in this sport, is that there are section of people in society who get a kick out of watching animals suffer, some going as far as to dress it all up with a bit of pomp and ceremony to furnish themselves with the delusion of a position further up social stratus than other individuals in society

    It’s awfully puke worthy to hear such a person then claim, that those who do not fit into their self congratulating imaginary position, are picking on them for due their imaginary position. it appears that your head is so far up your backside it is reappearing out of your mouth.

    Paint it how you will Mr Hart your narcissism is unbecoming
14. 

    Delyth

    May 19, 2015 at 6:37 am

    I’m hoping that being a devolved issue there will never be a reverse in Wales Mr Hart, but don’t threat, it seems your party have an alternative cruelties you can enjoy in your own community! such as the highest inequality in Europe crippling the most vulnerable… Oh and also you will get to watch young people working 30 hours a week for less than minimum wage, who will not doubt be talking up jobs that were previously at least that. Oh Joy!
15. 

    tomos

    May 19, 2015 at 3:10 pm

    oh alison, its you thats perpetuting the class war thing.

    another goes on about cruelty to animals then I guess we should all be forced to be vegans and all you scummy socialists going on about the voting system ?

    tough!

    you had 13 years to chage it, but when bliar got a majority despite getting fewer votes than for decades you must have thought it’ was ok then?

    just proves you have no principles

    there are some good points made in this discussion aboutfood banks inequality, but lets not forget inequality gre even faster under blair than that “dreadful” thatcher woman

    I’m now off to chuck some poor dear out of her home, then I’ll rub a few oiks togetherso I can have a fire this evening to cook peacock and chips 😉
16. 

    Paris

    May 19, 2015 at 3:30 pm

    Tomas I resent being classed as ‘another’.

    Being kind to animals and being a vegetarian are two different things. I love animals that is why I don’t eat meat, some people are not really interested in animals as such but think it is unhealthy to eat meat.

    I can never understand this class thing you are going on about.

    There are members of the Labour Party that are exceedingly wealthy, with families that are multi millionaires, to me it seems to be the Conservative Party that bring up the class thing all the time.

    How do you know that I don’t come from a wealthy background? You don’t have to be poor to stand up for the least well-off in life.
17. 

    alison

    May 19, 2015 at 7:33 pm

    Tomas
    Firstly, I was never a Blairite

    Secondly, ‘you had 13 years to chage it,’ Change what ?

    Thirdly I am not a labour supporter so many assumptions!

    Forthly My very first point was those like him who dress this barbaric sport up as a class issue just like he has here are the ones waging class war where do I perpetuate it ? I was not the one that raised the stupid assumption that is was a class war but instead responding to the idiotic delusion that a class war is being waged on the rich with regards to the issue of tearing foxs up for fun. when historically the ‘class war’ this proper fool speaks of, was waged from the top down

    My last point to say that a Class war is being waged by a Blarite government is the most hideous accusation and how am I perpetuating a war through opinion ? It was not me who chucked my rattles out the pram putting myself forward as an MP over a single issue gearing myself up for ‘class war’ over a classless barbaric sport. to hell with the other issues that need addressing in this this area.
18. 

    Flashbang

    May 20, 2015 at 5:31 am

    Delyth, people in glass houses……. “Baring”
    As for syllogism, it looks like you found the word of the day somewhere and tried to hang it on to something where it doesn’t belong. 56.3% not voting does not mean they are supporting anyone, it just means that most of them couldn’t be bothered to get off their arses and vote.
19. 

    Paris

    May 20, 2015 at 7:37 am

    Flashbang

    Whilst part of this statement is correct some of it isn’t.

    Yes many people didn’t vote, some were unable due to illness, some because they couldn’t walk to the polling station, some were still waiting for their postal vote to come through and others didn’t bother.

    Of the ones that didn’t bother there were some that said “Well they’re all the same” but then there are the ones that when asked if they voted and they answered “No” if you then went on then to ask them if they were Conservative then, they would spit and splutter and say “No Way” or something such- like.

    If these people had bothered to think about this before hand we may have had a different MP for the county.
20. 

    Flashbang

    May 20, 2015 at 9:43 am

    Good for you Paris for putting words and opinions into the mouths of those who didn’t vote. It’s all pure speculation on your part. This is not about who won or lost it’s about people coming to the conclusion that because people didn’t vote they automatically were against the winner.
21. 

    Paris

    May 20, 2015 at 9:52 am

    That’s where you are wrong Flashbang.

    After the election I asked many people in the town where I live about the results, everything I have written in the above comment was said to me by these people.

    I have not made anything up so it is not speculation on my part. One person I spoke to didn’t even know who David Cameron was.
22. 

    Bob

    May 20, 2015 at 11:51 am

    Now you are misquoting me Flashbang. I did not say 56.3% didn’t vote, it was 56.3% that voted for someone other than Simon Hart. It was 30.1% that didn’t vote. Which ever way you look at it, Tomos was wrong to say a majority voted for him. He simply got more votes than any of the other candidates.
23. 

    Paris

    May 20, 2015 at 11:53 am

    Thank you Herald for putting the Reply/Quote facility that I asked for. 🙂
24. 

    Delyth

    May 20, 2015 at 12:51 pm

    Flashbang word analysis
    Give it time to sink in.
25. 

    Delyth

    May 20, 2015 at 1:12 pm

    @ Flashbang:

    You’re struggling with both English and maths Flashbang.

    Maybe there is to many numbers going on in Bobs Comment for your mind to follow
    Simple maths. Get yourself a calculator if you need one. you can forget the ‘over’ Just use the numbers.

    17,626 voted for Simon Hart over 40,000 people didn’t vote for Simon Hart.

    Drop the ifs and the buts

    What is the answer?

    Take your time.
26. 

    J Williams

    May 20, 2015 at 4:19 pm

    Shame on you Mr Hart. Most upsetting
27. 

    tomos

    May 20, 2015 at 5:05 pm

    Bob wrote:

    Now you are misquoting me Flashbang. I did not say 56.3% didn’t vote, it was 56.3% that voted for someone other than Simon Hart. It was 30.1% that didn’t vote. Which ever way you look at it, Tomos was wrong to say a majority voted for him. He simply got more votes than any of the other candidates.

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    tell us then Bob, how should democracy work – I agree the voting system is broken but will ppl in power ever change a system that got them elected?

    Between them the nutter greens who think meat eating is more deadly to the planet than terrorism and UKIP (what can you say about them:) ) got roughly half of the tory vote but got two MPs.

    I’ve now digressed as well – rememer we’re talking about fox hunting ?
28. 

    Paris

    May 20, 2015 at 5:12 pm

    J Williams wrote:

    Shame on you Mr Hart. Most upsetting

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    Can you expect anything more from a man who supports the bedroom tax and is against increase of benefits for long term sick.
29. 

    Delyth

    May 21, 2015 at 10:10 pm

    Not sure what you mean by Glass houses with regards to that response either. I copied and pasted you and asked what you meant by change with out digging you out for a typo at all. It happens!

    Quite a typical move, when you are loosing an argument to be picking words out in an attempt to deflect from the obvious It is hardly anyone else’s fault that you can not see the logic in bobs response to a comment claiming a majority of people in Pembrokeshire voted for Simon Hart, when in fact a majority never voted for Simon Hart
30. 

    English man

    May 22, 2015 at 10:17 pm

    Well done simon….
31. 

    Paris

    May 23, 2015 at 8:14 am

    English man wrote:

    Well done simon….

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    Would that be…

    Well Done Simon for supporting the bedroom tax?

    or

    Well Done Simon for voting strongly against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability?
    or

    Well Done Simon for voting very strongly against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices?

    Before you say Well Done Simon again perhaps you should look at the voting record of this gentleman on They Work For You.
32. 

    English man

    May 23, 2015 at 5:55 pm

    YES bedroom tax public housing is a privilege and should be used as a stop gap
    YES to gearing the benefit system towards those who are willing to work it’s there a a fall back not as a life choice.
    If we keep wasting resources we will not have the ability to help those in most need.
33. 

    Paris

    May 23, 2015 at 6:10 pm

    @ English man:
    So where do you expect those in council houses to go to if there is no smaller properties available? They may be classed as a stop gap now but they weren’t when they were built. What happens if a person cannot afford to buy their own house?

    But what do you class as those in most need? Does this apply to physical and mental problems?
34. 

    English man

    May 23, 2015 at 6:23 pm

    I believe that people with even very extreme disabilities find help fulfilment and self worth from employment .and to those that really can’t do any work they’re the ones that should be targeted with most help. and All social housing should be means tested
35. 

    Nearlygoodboyo

    May 24, 2015 at 3:29 pm

    Shame that Simon Hart’s comments for the support of fox hunting did not appear during the run-up to the recent election. I am sure he gained confidence when scuttling around south Pembs. seeing all those blue posters attached to field fence posts. Well, enough to state those comments now with the backing of the PM and another guaranteed 5 years in the job with a 17% pay increase on the horizon. Problem is there are too many small holders in South Pembs. that consider themselves to be the landed gentry. By the way, where is my superfast broadband?
36. 

    English Man

    May 25, 2015 at 7:58 pm

    “Nearlygoodboyo

    May 24, 2015 at 3:29 pm

    Shame that Simon Hart’s comments for the support of fox hunting did not appear during the run-up to the recent election”

    What the man who gave up the country side alliance to become an MP an ex master of fox hounds….Really hid his support for country sports under cover…..

    BUT I agree about MP pay un believable. Even though Call me Dave can cancel ministers pay rise even if its been approved by appointed (by him )”independent panel” yet he cant step into the independent panel (that he appointed from government cronies)
37. 

    chizy

    May 26, 2015 at 8:56 pm

    You reap what you sow, isn’t that how the old saying goes.

    I find what keeps me going is the thought that with every day that passes, it’s a day less that Dave,Gideon,Boris and their CONservative chums are in office.

    **Don’t forget that Si also kept quiet about voting against OSA immunity for abuse whistle blowers.